History of Malygos and Neltharion's Relationship

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Okay, I'm gonna be doing a big spoiler warning. Especially if you really don't want to know what might happen, or what might be added to Rise of the Sha and the subsequent stories to follow.

And right now it's the thing that's been halting the update. Because I am very cautious in doing this.

Mostly because of this...

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And I don't wanna sound like a hypocrite. I really don't wanna sound like a fucking hypocrite. At all. And I swear this is gonna make me sound like one. To the point where I've had like 5 hours of argument with this guy... renndor Who by the way is male, not female. And is deeply entrenched in the development of characters, not derailing them for the per pleasure of the fanfic writer...which the yaoi fanfic female writers tend to do.

And he's the guy who has taken up the task of helping me write the Tectonic Divergence Series and the development of Neltharion as a character beyond...that big dragon we killed off at the end of Cataclysm.

And he is the guy who came up with this...idea...

I did not. But I'm experimenting with it anyways to see if it will work. Despite my reservations on what this will look like to all of you who aren't in the creative development circle of Neltharion's little story.

Let me define why I do not like yaoi. And I've had a long time stated much hatred of it. And go as far as to say that it really is the cheap, crappy dribble that it is.

Why don't I like yaoi?

Well, the simplest answer is this. The genre tends to ruin a lot of my beloved childhood memories of shows I used to watch as a kid, like my favorite 80s cartoon, various Disney animated shows, some anime that I do like, or comics that I used to read.

And it is often written by really bad fanfic writers. Sturgeon's Law is that 90% of creative media is often crap. And that applies to the yaoi genre.

The big reason why I don't like yaoi is the issue of character derailment

Character Derailment: When an established character becomes largely different, exhibiting behavior contrary to what has been previously shown. This is not a matter of organic growth. Rather than gradually changing in response to events and experiences, a derailed character will exhibit shockingly unusual behavior that implies malfeasance or incompetence on the part of the writers.

And this is what often pops up in the yaoi fanfics written by unskilled, teenage girls just discovering the idea of what sex is when it...especially when it comes to male on male relationships.

And most yaoi is written by heterosexual teenage girls who have no idea what real gay men do, or how real gay men form romantic relationships. It is often overly sexuallized, overly dramaticized, and overly fantasized...and often...fetized. It is a fantasy, not reality.

If in Fan Fics, it can involve Canon DefilementDraco in Leather Pants and/or Ron the Death Eater. When the derailed character's characterization is fixed, it is Character Rerailment. Contrast Characterization Marches On, in which a character changes because their previous characterization was only a "work in progress". See also Character Check, where a derailed character might briefly act like they used to.

Which brings me to asking all of you before even considering making this...possible incriminating decision upon my staunch reservations about yaoi a part of Neltharion's own relationship with Malygos, whom it is hinted that he has a deeper and more profound relationship with.

I mean I am trying my best to fill in the blanks when the source material has left. I am exploring Neltharion's history, his backstory, asking who exactly was he before Deathwing, what bonds did he have with not only his flight, but the others as well.

And the fear of derailing the character or ruining the story due to this added bit of history is one of my greatest fears. I wrote these stories for the purpose of exploring Neltharion's character, and try to do something more that the original creators decided not to. I basically said that I hated the end of the Dragon Soul, but understand WHY they would do it. 


  1. Most gamers don't care about the backstory of the end boss they're fighting.

  2. The issue of saving Neltharion at the end of the Cataclysm probably would have been too costly and taken a long time to develop. Reason once more, the fans don't know or care about the lore behind the character they're fighting.

  3. Deathwing's death was easier to write and code for the game. Again reason is because most of the fans don't know who he is.

  4. Because Deathwing's backstory was never really explored or discussed outside the Cataclysm...at least in the MMORPG, most gamers don't know who he is and see him as just another enemy to defeat and get the phat lewtz.

  5. Most gamers never read the books or other expanded material regarding to who and what Deathwing was.

  6. The expanded material never really even went into who Neltharion was prior to his fall into Deathwing. (Yes, this is includes Dawn of the Aspects because it only focuses on Malygos through Kalecgos' eyes. And outside of Neltharion wanting to go along for the ride because he could kick some more ass, he wasn't developed any further than character archetype, the Blood Knight and Bruiser. He hardly had any sort of character beyond: "I like to kick ass and take names!")

  7. The expanded material didn't go into Neltharion's character during his time as an Aspect. The wikis all state that Neltharion was angelic and noble, and most beloved. But outside of that, we don't see how he was any of those things. Hell the fanfilm that was made painted him as being evil from the get-go and showed nothing to prove to us that his fall was tragic in any way. Hell the film didn't even paint Malygos as competent either.


 And the biggest underlying question, exactly what was Neltharion's relationship with Malygos really like? Just how deep are these two? Just really good friends? Blood brothers connected by their attunements, Neltharion's being Mass and Matter, and Malygos' being Energy. 

Or was it something deeper?

Where they possibly lovers as well?

And I ask this due to the fact that the Neltharion in my AU story is very close to 70 thousand years old. That number is basically leaked from some source stating the age of the Aspects themselves. And given we only knew what went on within the last ten thousand years, that's nearly 60 thousand years of history we don't know.

So that's a big hole to fill. No, that's not an innuendo. Or a gay pun given the question I'm asking.

So, here we go...

Spoilers...

Malygos and Neltharion by Ghostwalker2061
Do not read below this line if you really don't want to know. Either about the plot of the book, or the potential slandering thing that I MAY include in the story. May, is a big word. It's not set in stone yet. And I feel like I'm walking to the gallows, ready to be crucified by all the fans of the stories I've written about Neltharion. I need a cigarette and a blindfold, and then, you can nail me to the tree.

So, let's all have an open and respectful discussion on this topic that is could very well have every one of my watchers pointing guns at my head. And please, let's just be civil about this. I know I'm asking much for the Internet. Maybe too much. Please understand why this is being brought up and why I am asking you all, the reader, if what renndor came up with should happen...or perhaps maybe just added to the backstory of Neltharion's relationship with Malygos.

And as I said, this is going to make me sound like a hypocrite to a lot of people. And yes, I will completely understand if you call me one. Because yeah, if I do this, I will feel like I'm two faced. Saying yaoi isn't okay, but writing a story where it might happen...very hypocritical.

So, let me explain why this was suggested by the guy who has been helping me develop this story series. And why in some ways, yeah, it actually does make sense.

First, I'll come out and say it. In the AU story series, Neltharion is the very first bisexual character that I have ever written about. He is. He's bisexual. Which means he loves both males and females and is willing to mate with them. Why is this, you may ask? Well, as the two of us knocked our heads together, trying to figure out the culture of the dragons on Azeroth, and the fact that sexual freedom is a part of their social structure...it started making sense to us that to create this social bond between all the dragons, mating not only with opposite sexes, but also with same sexes.

In many regards, we theorized that the Dragonflights of Azeroth are very much like the Bonobos in Africa. Bonobos apes have a culture where disputes between to rivaling apes are often resolved by intimate contact and sex. This is true for both males and females. Two females fight, it ends with good ole lesbian sex, two males fight, it ends with good ole gay sex. And a male and female fight, it ends with heterosexual sex. They pretty much use sex and intimacy for just about anything.

And many bonobos have multiple partners. Both male and female will have multiple partners. So, they're not choosy. Unlike homosexuals in humans, who only choose partners of their same sex, or heterosexual humans would choose partners of the opposite sex, Bonobos are all bisexual. Which means they can have both.

And we theorized that's what the Dragonflights did to help build this social bond they have. The Azeroth dragons are unique. Dragons we've seen in most literature are solitary, rarely sociable, and very territorial. Dragons of Azeroth seem to be very sociable, open, and rarely do they seclude themselves. They are together. If a dragon visits another dragon's lair, that visitor is rarely if ever turned away. A lot of times, they are even seen to lair with each other rather than alone.

Which is important given what they are, caretakers of the world. So they do need this very rigid, and tightly woven net of a culture in order to work together as a unit. And the Aspects are also that way. The only that seems to be a bit deviant to this is Nozdormu, sometimes. But he is also the leader of his flight.

The other reason for the bisexual behaviors of pairing, we theorized on, was to create an interlocking web, a conduit in which energy is flowed from one dragon to another. When this network is up and running, the flight feels the strongest from the connection. The blend each individual energies into a central hub. And well, just being homosexual, or heterosexual would break this important network. And when it is broken, the entire flight suffers.

And an example of this is with both Neltharion (when he was Deathwing) and Malygos. For the last ten thousand years, neither of these Aspects participated in maintaining this very fragile network, so their flights suffered for it.

The flow of this energy starts with the Aspect and is passed along through their consorts, and through mates, and through their consort's mates....and through those mates, and so on and so forth. It even passes into developing eggs within a female dragon's womb.

And it serves to explain, at least for me, why so many black dragons referred to either Deathwing or Neltharion as "father", regardless to whether or not Neltharion was their actual biological father. He is not just the "father of the flight" but they feel this sense of connection with him because of his energies being passed to them, either directly from Neltharion, or from one of the many mates and consorts he mated with, who then mated with other dragons to share that energy.

So, we theorized that Neltharion probably had mates and consorts who were both male and female. His Prime Consort was Sintharia, a female. But he had many unnamed consorts and mates, and any of those could have been either male or female. But we assume they were all female due to our own sociological and cultural mindsets. Because homosexuality and bisexuality in our culture is still seen as a deviancy regardless to the amount of sociological and cultural reformation our society has developed on the subject.

Bisexuals and homosexuals are still regarded as OTHER. As in, not heterosexual, or white, or male, or Protestant. You get what I mean?

Hell bisexuality is often seen as a deviancy in both heterosexual and homosexual cultures. Because of this underlying belief that we have to choose one or the other. And bisexuals are cheaters. No. It just means they have a broader reach on who they want to choose to be their "special someone". A bisexual male, who is attracted to both sexes, can still decide to marry a female because he found that female to be the perfect match for him. Same goes for if he decides to marry another male. Bisexual females also can pick and choose. They can be either happy with another male, choose another female.

So, I've now covered the cultural background I'm working with when it comes to the Dragonflights and why...and this is turning into a LONG journal. And I know I'm gonna get a lot of TL;DR from some of you lazy people. So, I'll just cover the history in this journal, and then do another big spoiler reveal next journal.

Now it's time for why Malygos and Neltharion? Why am I potentially doing a slash fic of these two. Well, the series isn't about their relationships, that isn't the focus. Most of it is focused on Neltharion's own healing and trying to reacquaint himself with the duties he was created for. And a lot of emotional issues, scarring, that sort of thing. And history that because of said emotional scarring, he cannot remember. Well, one bit of that history is Neltharion and Malygos were once consorts.

And yes, that's what Alexstrasza was referring to when she was yelling at Malygos. The whole "I'm jealous because of you, Malygos, because I didn't get a chance to tap Neltharion's pretty, tight ass..." bit. If you don't recall, here is the chapter in question.... Pandaria: Rise of the Sha chpt 3 Read a little further down to the argument.

Though for the moment, I did leave it up to the viewer's interpretation just in case I didn't go with the idea of Malygos and Neltharion having a deeper relationship beyond just being really good friends. However, that bit was meant to spill a little bit of their history, that Neltharion and Malygos were consorts and because of this, would join their flights as a means to perform their duties much better. So the sex actually serves a purpose. As I stated above, the network, which is often times strengthened and maintained through sexual intimacy...because the bond is strongest during such sessions...this meant that Neltharion and Malygos, and thereby their flights would be strengthening each other by creating this overreaching web.

So back then, it really wasn't a Malygos/Neltharion pairing, it was a Blue and Black Dragonflight pairing.

(And no, if a male black dragon and a female blue dragon had sex, they would not be able to conceive children. And also vice versa. They can only conceive children if they mate within their respected dragonflights, as in, male back and female black, male blue and female blue. So there are no mixed raced kids out there. Sex to maintain the energy network between the two flights and each other was never meant for breeding...only to create that circuit to disperse the energy and strengthen their flights.]

(If a male and female black dragon mated they would conceive children, while at the same time link themselves and their children through the bond. Often having sex to keep the network up, especially while the female is "pregnant" or "clutching" is to both empower the female so she can stay healthy, and empower the eggs so they can develop into healthy whelps. Without this energy being fed into the eggs as they developed inside of her, there was always a likely chance of eggs not hatching, whelps dying in the eggs, smaller and sicklier whelps, or deformed whelps.)

(Subsequently, same thing can happen if two dragons who are very closely related to each other, like say brother and sister like Onyxia and Nefarian, the resulting inbreeding would degrade the genetics and the whelps would more likely have complications, or a lot of defective eggs would be laid and never hatched. There is a side story that is supposed to happen between Wrath of the Warchief and Rise of the Sha which details this issue of inbreeding. Neltharion currently forbids inbreeding within the flight he currently has, since well, all but one, are basically 5th, 6th, and 7th cousins to each other. Granted they have a more likely chance of producing healthier eggs, but Neltharion doesn't want to risk it.)

(Also, because most of them are related to each other, they all tend to smell the same and therefore are not very attracted to each other. They may mate in a certain way, doing certain forms of mating and using safe sex practices to prevent pregnancy in female, but they they would only do so to keep up the network, not father anymore children. And even then, because of Nel's own fears about sex due to what happened to his other consorts...he doesn't participate very much. Which is detrimental if not deathly to his flight. His flight needs their Aspect's energy to stay healthy and strong. And that is the other reason why Neltharion's flight is dying.)

Cuz everybody gotta pound Nel's ass. And from what you read in Chapter 7 and Chapter 9 both the Old Gods and Deathwing have tapped Nel's ass quite a lot.

One of the dramatic issues, and underlying sad bits of Neltharion and Malygos' little relationship. Since it is possible at least in the AU that they were consorts, if unofficially, that means that there is a good reason why Malygos feels the way he does about Neltharion. One sad bit, Malygos and thereby the entire Blue Dragonflight, feeling ultimately betrayed by Neltharion and the Black Dragonflight, when Nel became Deathwing...without realizing what really was going on. Because not only did these two Aspect did the horizontal tango with each other, so did their flights. As in yes, black dragons and blue dragons bumped uglies with each other.

And when Nel became Deathwing, you can imagine the shock, horror, fear, and anger that came about from the Blue Dragonflight, and why these two flights were in such bitterness over each other afterwards.

And then in the AU when Neltharion was brought back and cured of Deathwing, well Deathwing is gone save for a few strange, and rather disturbing flashbacks, you can see why Malygos acts the way he does now. His love and devotion to his mate...he loved Neltharion so much, but that wasn't enough to keep Deathwing from working his evil magic. And Malygos now carries this heavy burden of feeling he failed Neltharion for not catching and stopping Deathwing before it got that bad.

So there's a lot of emotional background, a lot of drama that comes from this idea.

And here is the conceptual and mechanical reason why the Blue and Black Aspects would mate with each other, and subsequently their two flights would mate with each other is well...

Neltharion represents Matter and Malygos represents Energy. And such a relationship would make sense mathematically. Also in theoretical physics. Matter and Energy are both seen as related to each other. Can't have one without the other.

E=mc2 

I mean their sex even has a math equation.

Math Nut theorized that Nel and Mal mating with each other was one of the reasons why the Timeless Isle exists. Because when they hump, space-time warps.

So here's the underlying question...SHOULD I build this history up? Should I explore it further as a means to help Neltharion possibly find someone who could not only support him emotionally and spiritually, but also could help him find out a lot of the history he has lost? Should I develop this one aspect?

Or should I just not add it? Is this an interesting topic to explore in such a storyline? Or am I just ruining my story by the mere mentioning of it?

Or am I really being a stupid hypocritical bitch?

The second journal will be discussion something else that may happen in the story as well. And I will be asking again the same thing...should I do it? Or should I just play it safe?

Dreading this so much.



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Eternal-Mothra's avatar
Christine, first of all, you are not a hypocrite at all for thinking about the deeper love these two characters may share. I know a lot of us are a bit traumatized by shitty yaoi fan fiction, but not ALL same-sex fan fiction is ridiculous and character derailing. 

You're trying to build the characters and provide a logical explanation for their actions/attractions. Most smutty fiction does not explain anything. It's just *BAM* they are sexing like crazy. I'll use an example. I was recently working on a fan fiction opening up an unadmitted love interest between Thorin Oakenshield and Bilbo Baggins from the Hobbit. This is mostly based on the movie because there are a few scenes where the two characters share emotions that seem deeper than ordinary "friends." In my fan fic, Frodo discovers a journal Bilbo wrote (this is after Bilbo left for Rivendell) and discovers that he actually had feelings for Thorin. Of course it is more in-depth and explained than that, but that's the basic gist. I determined this based on the fact that neither character ever had children - which is a primary sign that their personal attractions aren't heterosexual/child-bearing related. Their relationship never reached a sexual extent, but feelings were still there nevertheless. 

I hope I didn't make you cringe since I know the Hobbit is one of your childhood books. (it is also one of mine). But it makes the point I was trying to convey. There is nothing wrong with same-sex fiction as long as it is WELL-WRITTEN and MAKES SENSE according to the canon of said universe(s). 

Love you by the way. <3